Under his profile pic his bike is listed as a â19 CB650R. So it could be a leftover, but most likely not. At least not new in â22.
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All 650Rs Oil leak
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Hello Everyone.
After this post I drove >10K Km. The schenario is the same, That drop on the imagem apears from time to time. It´s an irrelevant leak from thechnical point of view. Doesn't even spread to filter nor crankcase. Zero coolant loss.
Since I knew about others replacing the punp and geting both coolant and still oil leak, I decided not to replace anymore pumps.
I can leave wit it like this.
Replacing the pump fitting o-ring is useless, the leak is not comming from the fitting area but from the pump shaft seal.
- Oct 15, 2022
- Riding Since
- 2017
Bought it used with a warranty. It's Aegis, and just A2 and A3 coverage. A1 is needed for Water pump/ seals and stuff. I'm fucked. D:
That's what I figured......
- Oct 15, 2022
- Riding Since
- 2017
Well, I can't upgrade the warranty protection so looks like I'll be paying out of pocket. Is there a certain part number I should be looking at for these? Will a 2022 fit on a 2019?
I think it could be #13, but dont qoute me on that
Water pump cover for Honda CBR 650 R 2019 - Honda
Should be that same pump for recent years, but only the entire pump and a new o-ring (SOMETIMES) solves the issue.
If youâre getting a drop from time to time, donât bother with that, because me and many had the pump replaced and it was not solved 100%. As you can see above, mine has always a drop hanging but it´s just that, doesnât even drop on the garage floor.
Local dealer offer themselves to replace it as many times as necessary, for free, but I don´t want anyone else messing with my bike.
If youâre getting a drop from time to time, donât bother with that, because me and many had the pump replaced and it was not solved 100%. As you can see above, mine has always a drop hanging but it´s just that, doesnât even drop on the garage floor.
Local dealer offer themselves to replace it as many times as necessary, for free, but I don´t want anyone else messing with my bike.
A single drop that doesn't fall is expected and even documented as normal in the service manual.
It's from the weep hole on the pump.
J
It's from the weep hole on the pump.
J
- Sep 2, 2019
A small amount of coolant weeping from the bleed hole is normal.
Make sure that there are no continuous coolant leakage, if there is oil coming out the bleed hole your inner shaft seal is damaged and a replacement pump is needed to fix the leak.
Make sure that there are no continuous coolant leakage, if there is oil coming out the bleed hole your inner shaft seal is damaged and a replacement pump is needed to fix the leak.
- Oct 15, 2022
- Riding Since
- 2017
There's always fluid on the bottom bolt area of the pump, oil filter, and all down on the inside of the lower fairing just under it. I don't think that's normal though. I'll try to gather some picture this week but it's usually messy when looking down the fairing opening and seeing the lower fairing with some buildup and filter. Changed filters twice so that's not it. Shop replaced o ring and shaft seal and still leaks. Just quite bummed out rn.
- Sep 2, 2019
Your engine should be bone dry, unless there is some oil spilling after a service but that should be wiped off. If your pump is still leaking oil it needs to be replaced, there is no other option. The inner seal of the pump can not be replaced. For example in old cars you see sometimes the engine sweating some oil (not leaking) that is coming from the cork gasket because it hardens over time (not a problem) In a modern motorcycle engine they use silicone based gasketâs and they seal well or fail and you got a oil leak. So long story short, a modern motorcycle engine should always be bone dry! (If not you got a problem)
Why on earth are so many bikes having water pumps removed at low enough mileages to be under warranty?
- Sep 2, 2019
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@Goblin said there is a QC issue between manufactured parts in the water pump and engine casting thatâs resulting in oil and coolant leaks. It happens, but unfortunately the replacement parts arenât always fixing the issue and Honda seems slow to address it.- Oct 15, 2022
- Riding Since
- 2017
They just want the issue to go on and eventually go away. Out of sight out of mind.As
Maybe, itâs a good discussion point, though.
Take the âout of sight, out of mindâ viewpoint: While that might appear be the case itâs a harsh way to deal with something, especially by a company known for reliability and longevity.
But they donât have a lot of control over this now that the bike is out and released: Is it a design flaw? A casting flaw? A 3rd party vender problem? Could one or all the above, if thatâs the case what do you suggest they do?
Very little changed between the motor in the original â14 650F and the â22 650R and we didnât have the issues until the R model came out. So it almost has to be a 3rd party vender problem or a change in the case cover it mounts to, right? I remember reading the R case covers were thinner to save weight, that might be part of it. So what do you do, order another set of covers to be built and replace them on every bike you made? Not every bike leaks, and some the replacement pump fixes it, and you need to change something.
So it becomes a shell game of:
How many 650Râs are out there?
How many have a major oil leaks?
How many people are bitching about it?
How many people are buying these bikes in the future?
And how many will walk away from Honda products because of it?
Itâs not a safety defect so there wonât be a recall on it, and itâs âcontrollable leakâ that can fit within to normal motor running parameters they can deem acceptable, so theres not a lot of draw to fix it.
I think that if Honda didnât have the 750cc Hornet motor in line to replace this bike youâd see them doing more about it, but at this point it was a mild seller, there are only so many bikes with a âbadâ leak, and the replacement motor was probably in the design phase when the leaks started showing up so they tried a few things and are willing to let it go at this point.
I donât know, I feel bad for those that have it because youâre in a no win situation.
Crapy design. Moders Honda engines have a diferente design, pump is inside the engine and there´s a weap chanel to get any coolant out.
The problem is on the shaft internal seal, nothing to do with engine casting. Most of the time, I mean...As
Think what hes getting at is the tolerances are changed when there is a change in casting process leading to the seal not working as effectively due to change tolerances and more play.
That's the way I understand it anyway.
Correct, poorly worded on my part.