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All 650's 2021 Tyre recommendations
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apexsurfer, time for the Dunlop Roadsmart 4 feedback ;-) How did you found them?Those are in my list of candidates...
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I have the Road 6s on my Triumph and just put a set on my new/used Tracer GT. They are GREAT road tires, highly recommend them
Liking the Road6 on the rear of my 650f. Still have a Road5 on the front.
Lots of confidence in the corners
Lots of confidence in the corners
- Jul 5, 2019
I used the Michelin Power Cup 2's for six track days this year. They are awesome, once you get the pressures sorted out. The 650R doesn't have a lot of power (obviously) and cold tear can be an issue. Get the pressures right, so the tire is at optimum temp, and it works awesome. The lack of power also means the center of the tire will not be worked as hard as the edge. The rears lasted three track days but the fronts still had half the tread left, so I bought another rear and did three more days and then both the front and rear were done. Here is a pic of the rear after three track days, and you can see the center of the tire has life, but the edges are at the wear bars. The profile isn't even round anymore when looking at it head-on, as the center is ridged compared to the edges and you can see the color difference in the center compound:
I prefer them to the Dunlop Q4 tires. The edge grip is just as good, I think they have more front feedback, and they are more compliant on the rear and I think that's a huge benefit for the 650R. Leaned over, the softer edge construction of the PC2 acts like a light spring that better accommodates surface irregularities/cracks/bumps that the stock 650R suspension doesn't handle well. For example, cutting an arc across the pave cuts in turn 2 at HPR can upset the bike when leaned over too far on the Q4s, while the PC2 was noticeably more stable.
Would I buy them again for the 650R? Yes, if I wanted the grip. But Bridgestone RS10s are almost half the price and probably 80% the grip for track days, with more life. In addition, while you can certainly push your bike harder with grippier tires, the worse your stock brakes and suspension will feel under the loads created. The brakes need race pads to handle the heat these tires can generate through hard braking, and the suspension really falls on its face with how aggressive you can transition on these tires. Something like the RS10s are a better compliment to the stock brakes and suspension capabilities of the 650R. But you can definitely cut your lap times down with these Power Cup 2s if that's what you're after, and will better enjoy the performance they offer if you have a suspension upgrade and some race pads.
Edit: Forgot to add, the recommended hot pressures are 34.8 psi F and 24.65 psi R. I recommend a warm-up lap, one hot lap, and then back in to check and adjust to target. As the day goes on and the track temps rise, keep checking and adjusting hot pressures as needed.
I prefer them to the Dunlop Q4 tires. The edge grip is just as good, I think they have more front feedback, and they are more compliant on the rear and I think that's a huge benefit for the 650R. Leaned over, the softer edge construction of the PC2 acts like a light spring that better accommodates surface irregularities/cracks/bumps that the stock 650R suspension doesn't handle well. For example, cutting an arc across the pave cuts in turn 2 at HPR can upset the bike when leaned over too far on the Q4s, while the PC2 was noticeably more stable.
Would I buy them again for the 650R? Yes, if I wanted the grip. But Bridgestone RS10s are almost half the price and probably 80% the grip for track days, with more life. In addition, while you can certainly push your bike harder with grippier tires, the worse your stock brakes and suspension will feel under the loads created. The brakes need race pads to handle the heat these tires can generate through hard braking, and the suspension really falls on its face with how aggressive you can transition on these tires. Something like the RS10s are a better compliment to the stock brakes and suspension capabilities of the 650R. But you can definitely cut your lap times down with these Power Cup 2s if that's what you're after, and will better enjoy the performance they offer if you have a suspension upgrade and some race pads.
Edit: Forgot to add, the recommended hot pressures are 34.8 psi F and 24.65 psi R. I recommend a warm-up lap, one hot lap, and then back in to check and adjust to target. As the day goes on and the track temps rise, keep checking and adjusting hot pressures as needed.
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- Oct 30, 2018
Great info, thanks for sharing. My next tire I wanna try is PC2. I am on Pirelli Supercorsa V3.
Yes 650 doesn't have a lot of power.. particularly corner exits
Also judging from tire usage, you are much more aggressive on the throttle than me. I am more conservative when comes to corner exits 😅
Both my front & rear toasted the same time for riding to the track and track itself. I try to maximise my front tire capability on corner entries, through high entry speed, heavy braking, maximum engine braking and closed throttle.
My tire pressure is 32 (front hot) and 26psi (rear hot). Cheers
Yes 650 doesn't have a lot of power.. particularly corner exits
Also judging from tire usage, you are much more aggressive on the throttle than me. I am more conservative when comes to corner exits 😅
Both my front & rear toasted the same time for riding to the track and track itself. I try to maximise my front tire capability on corner entries, through high entry speed, heavy braking, maximum engine braking and closed throttle.
My tire pressure is 32 (front hot) and 26psi (rear hot). Cheers
Michelin Road 6s- Put them on the 650R and I have to agree, these are great tires. Of all the mods I've made this is the best, most noticeable change. Bike instantly felt like a different machine, more nimble, cornering felt much more solid, more confident handling overall. Had them on for months now, a few thousand km and they feel the same. No notice of unusual front tire wear like the Road 5s.
After 600 km on the angel gt 2 really dont know what to say, tires runs good and surely have grip, but I feel less confident on the front compare to the oem dunlop
I tryed to trust them more in the curves, and them do their job, maybe I need some more time and road to get used
I tryed to trust them more in the curves, and them do their job, maybe I need some more time and road to get used
Hello.
Not expected as the Angels are premium tires, the OEM Dunlops are entry level, basic tires.
Any particular reason why you chose touring tires for the CB?
I'm not questioning your choice, precisely because I'm thinking about making similar choice.Because I finished the previus tires in 5k km and I want something tath can last a little more, also I'm not so fast and is my first serious bike
Maybe isn't the right choice, but I think I'll have to like them
Also I'm not that fast and I would like to have tires that last more than 10KKm (in my case).
I'm changing rear tire annually, too soon for what I think is reasonable.
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Angel are sport touring tires, not touring. They should be able to handle a VERY sporty pace and should be a better tire than 99% of the riders out there. I would not have an issue running Angel GT's at a trackday
@oni if I had got make a guess the difference is a change in profile with Dunlop tires having a V profile and Pirelli is normally a U profile. What that means is Dunlops normally turn is very quick and have a tendency to stand up once you're leaned over where Pirelli, and the Angels, have a more uniform turn in feel and tend to stay put while leaned and need a nudge to start the lean back up.Give them some time, and make sure your tire pressure is correct for the tires. I have read nothing but positive reviews on the GT's so I think it's just something to get used to.
You're probably right, I noticed this difference in the tire's worn, I have far more new rubber on the side, particularly on the rear, with the dunlop I've reached the limit almost from new
As I sayd I'm surely not an expert, I've try to slow down a little, take curves more gently and trust the tire, it work, but I need time to learn and adapt
The oem dunlop was done front and rear almost together, wish this set can do a lot more road, but in some reviews I read that the outer coumpound don't last so much, if used as a sport tire
For the pressure I ask at the tire shop guys, suggested 2.5 bar front and rear in warm season, I ride alone
As I sayd I'm surely not an expert, I've try to slow down a little, take curves more gently and trust the tire, it work, but I need time to learn and adapt
The oem dunlop was done front and rear almost together, wish this set can do a lot more road, but in some reviews I read that the outer coumpound don't last so much, if used as a sport tire
For the pressure I ask at the tire shop guys, suggested 2.5 bar front and rear in warm season, I ride alone
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I would suggest you want to tweak your pressures a little, I run 2.5 Bar front and 2.9 Bar in the rear (on Road 5's admittedly). Given my limited understanding I don't stray far from the recommended pressures, but maybe upping the rear closer to 2.8, or dropping the front to about 2.3 would help the balance of the Bike? Most Bikes I have looked at seem to run a higher rear pressure so I assume its for a reason.
Tire pressure is an obscure subject, I've asked at some friends more expert than me, all said the recommended pressure are too high, specially on the back, all of them have their opinion on what is the right numbers
Same thing at the Pirelli dealer where I went for the job, so I decided for what they told, but I'm open for advice
I think the pressure indicated from honda are generalistic and intended to be ok even with two rider
Same thing at the Pirelli dealer where I went for the job, so I decided for what they told, but I'm open for advice
I think the pressure indicated from honda are generalistic and intended to be ok even with two rider
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This.
There isn't an issue running pressures Honda recommends but like you car the tire pressures int he manual only really apply tot he tires not he vehicle at the time the vehicle was made.
Sorry for the delay, I've take a look at THIS review before the purchase of the tires, to be honest I would've go for the michelin road 6, but they convinced me to switch for the pirelli cause are more sporty oriented
18.000 Km out of a "sporty" italian tire!! That´s my dream
I´m nearly on the market fot another rear tire, I might have to consider these.
Hello.
How did you arrived in those pressures?
I admit I would like to try something else rather than Honda recommendation, but I'm afraid I am not experienced nor sensitive to judge the changes. I'm always afraid that I'll end up choosing "wrong" pressures and that one day, in a limit situation, I'll end up wrong.
Any advice? How much do you weight? Just for comparison...
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As near as i can tell there is no definitive answer on this, I would suggest stick within 10%(or so) of the recommended pressures and you won't go far wrong, Recommended is
FRONT 250 kPa (36PSI, 2.5 Bar) Range between 225 (32PSI, 2.25 Bar)
REAR 290kPa (42PSI, 2.9 Bar) Range between 261 (37PSI, 2.61 Bar)
As for what is right for you? Only you can tell that, there are so many variables, such as temp, road surface, style of riding etc, etc, etc that a definitive answer on this is just not possible in my opinion. You are going to have to give it a try and see how it feels for you. I have seen on other forums within 15% of the recommended pressure should be fine too, but personally i would stick within 10%.
I am roughly 95 Kilos and run the recommended pressures as i am perfectly happy with those, i did try lower, but it felt a little "Squishy" to me, but its a personal thing i think.