All 650Rs CBR650R 2021 2nd service cost in UK

[User21]

I am in the UK and have just been quoted £258 for the 2nd service on my 16mth old, 2,300mls CBR650R, purchased in Oct 2021.
This includes 2.5hrs labour + vat

This is more than the 2nd service on my 2yr old car.

I could buy the oil and filter for £50 and do the job myself.

What did you pay please?

 

[Brammers]

At 16mths they might also be changing the brake fluid.

Best to check what they are doing as £250 doesn't sound horrific.

J

 

[User21]

They're stripping the brakes and cleaning them. This is not needed on my bike, it's almost new. Not ridden it through Autumn and Winter, so it's clean.

According to the service schedule, apart from the oil and filter change, there's several checks. It's 45mins tops.

You do not need to change the brake fluid at 16mths.

 

[miweber929]

You do not need to change the brake fluid at 16mths.

Regardless of when you purchased it, it’s actually a timed thing from when built. My Ducati is a ‘17 bought new August ‘18 so this fall it got new coolant and belts (5 year service on them) as part of its annual service.

Do it yourself if you think you’re getting shafted. Your call.

 

[Brammers]

Brake fluid is every two years. At 16mths with potentially another 12 until next service, I'd say yes they should change it.

As Mike says DIY the service. You're only gambling 6mths of warranty at this point - if you have no issues then all should be fine.

J

 

[User21]

I'm not getting shafted as I won't be paying the dealer's rip off prices. I may well do it myself for £50

 

[Brammers]

If you would like to preserve the 2yr warranty on the bike then you need to do two things...

1) use oem parts (oil filter)
2) have a vat registered mechanic fit them

It does not have to be the "rip off dealer" that does it.

If you don't care about the remaining warranty, then spend £55 and do the brake fluid too... You will notice the difference in feel.

J

 

[User21]

If you would like to preserve the 2yr warranty on the bike then you need to do two things...

1) use oem parts (oil filter)
2) have a vat registered mechanic fit them

It does not have to be the "rip off dealer" that does it.

If you don't care about the remaining warranty, then spend £55 and do the brake fluid too... You will notice the difference in feel.

J

Never changed the brake fluid in any car or bike. Never had any issues.

I worked in the automotive industry for over 20yrs and know what goes on

 

[Brammers]

Sounds like you don't if that's your take on brake fluid. Sorry but it's true and widely documented.

The issue is worse on bikes that have a larger amount of rubber hoses compared to a car.

J

 

[User21]

Doing unnecessary work and charging customers is epidemic in the automotive industry.

 

[Brammers]

Replacing the brake fluid isn't unnecessary though. That's why it's in the service schedule.

But hey, your bike, your brakes and your life. Not mine to argue about.

What role do you play in the automotive industry out of interest?

J

 

[User21]

Thanks for your comments Brammers 👍

I'm not able to divulge my role in the automotive industry in a public forum.

 

[TuneR]

Maybe op hasn't owned bikes/cars long enough to change brake fluid? Totally agree with brammers though, very noticeable after some time between changing it. I bleed mine in the service between oil changes.

 

[Cláudio Nogueira]

Thanks for your comments Brammers 👍

I'm not able to divulge my role in the automotive industry in a public forum.

Hello.

If you are on the AUT industry for decades, like I do, I wonder why you are not informed about the need to change DOT brake fluid frequently!
You should be aware that DOT fluid is hygroscopic and that when the water content is higher than preconized, fluid boiling point is significantly reduced and circuit components corrosion can occur in medium to long term.
If you get rid of your cars and bikes after 5 years or so, sure it will not make a significant difference. Not me, I'm not rich enough not to keep my cars for longer.
Didn´t wanted to be rude, just can´t understand why you deny the need to replace DOT fluid frequently! I'll not replace mine every 2 years as it is cristal clear and the clima here is dry, but for sure max at the 3rd year I'll do it.

 

[Motojack]

If your horsing her around the track like a mad thing and heating them breaks then definatly even sooner that what's in the schedule.

This reminds me the other day when I was talking to an old lad and he was telling me how he has a 300k renault megane that he doesent change the oil in years or break fluid "its grand". Yep its grand till your engine gives out at 120kph and uve no breaks to stop 😀

 

[Cláudio Nogueira]

Hello.

After this conversation, this weekend I decided o top up front brake reservoir. It was almost reaching the middle of the window, that should be considered minimum level. Can´t say exactly why, because brake shoes are more than 50% in thickness! I have no leaks.
Nevertheless, I removed the cap and I was surprised with how dark it became in less than 2 years and 19KKm!
I guess that 8 pistons going in 1mm takes to much oil from the small reservoir and lowers the level like this. I don’t remember how it was when new, not sure if it was completely full, but I’m not sure if a full reservoir is enough to go trough 8 of these pistons compensation, fot the entire life of the 4 pads! It was yet near half window but I felt it was better to top it up, even if in practice, there was plenty of oil in the reservoir.

I ended removing the oil from the reservoir and reload with new one. I was not in the mood for a full brake bleed, replacing the full reservoir content was fine for now.
Apparently motorcycle brake fluid tends to age faster that in cars, probably because the amount on the entire circuit is much less. Just guessing...

 

[miweber929]

Apparently motorcycle brake fluid tends to age faster that in cars, probably because the amount on the entire circuit is much less. Just guessing...

The biggest difference between a car and bike is the overall amount of fluid (far less) and the fact the reservoir is located out in the open and not under the hood where’s it’s protected from the elements.

 

[Brian C.]

Just booked mine in and have been quoted £180 Inc VAT. I am not 100% sure what is to be done, but he did mention there is a lot more to this service than the 1st where they just do Oil and Filter i believe.
Glad when she is out of Warranty and i can just do it myself and save a fortune, but would prefer to get the stamps and preclude any argument if i need to do a Warranty claim.

 

[CBR650r82]

I don't understand why we think that €200,- / €250 or even €300,- is a problem for a 2nd service when it means you can drive another year around or 12.000 km's on your bike that did cost around €11.000,- when buying it brand new. Maybe next time buy a big BMW or Ducati and try those for the second service. We all love big show rooms filled with our favorite toys, or maybe it is just me, there ain't much profit in just selling the bikes (at least not for the dealership).

 

[Brian C.]

It wasn't meant to come across as a complaint really, just quoting the figures for the Op's benefit. I have now had the full quote and for what they do I actually think the price is reasonable. They mention the oil and filter change, but the brake pads and pins will be checked and if required cleaned, the chain checked, lubed and tensioned as well as a list of software and other checks/updates so it seems pretty good for the price.
For mine the Brake fluid change is an optional extra, with it the price comes up to the £250 quoted above. I am getting it done as I know my Bike was in stock at the dealer when I bought, but not sure for how long, so I figure better safe than sorry!
I just like working on Bikes and Cars, so I would prefer to get my hands Dirty, outside of Warranty I suspect I will do pretty much anything short of the Valve check myself, especially now I have the full manual.