- Aug 21, 2021
- Riding Since
- 2021
I can confirm that breaking power increased after 700-800km.
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CB650R Back brake seems pretty weak, especially compared to the front
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Yeah I'm now at 800km, and it seems to be a bit more solid...
- Mar 17, 2018
It takes time for the brake pad material to bond with the rotor.
- Sep 9, 2021
- Riding Since
- 2018
Ditto this...I made the choice to upgrade brake pads before my first track day on my starter Yamaha R3 from stock to EBC HH+ sintered brake pads for front and rear. In my judgement, the braking bite and feel went from a 4/10 stock to a 7/10 post install + track day to test. Yes, I also flushed the front and rear systems with high temp resistant brake fluid. In my experience, brake pads and steel braided lines are what improve braking feel as basic upgrades.
I firmly believe sintered brake pads are the most cost effective performance mod you can install on just about any motorcycle (yes, there always exceptions). Now although I am not any kind of racer nor have any greater credibility, I felt more confident braking deeper into corners at the track. It is what the club coach was coaching me through anyways. After my epiphany I immediately installed EBC HH+ on my GSX-R 750, massive change. Plan to install them on the CB650R after the first thousand miles. Every rider can and should learn to judge and replace their brake pads
What changed?
When I take a look at the stock pads they appear to be a predominantly organic material delivering a softer feel through the braking stroke and overall smoother ride because softer breaking will not upset the chassis as dramatically as braking with a stronger bite. Sintered pads contain higher volume of metallic particles that create that stronger bite'y feel but they do also create more heat. This is why high temp brake fluid flush is recommended especially if you plan to do back to back track sessions.
It felt like a coming of [age] skill?
When I was more of a beginner it was nice to have softer brakes, now I am comfortable, responsible, and reliable with the brake levers & full suspension stroke I feel as though I have grown out of stock organic pads and will never go back
.How does one "seat" the pads to the rotors? You wear them in! I am out here in San Francisco, so I just roll down some hills stop sign to stop sign to heat them up and wear them in. Yes, I also use engine braking here I am not just jamming on the brakes and calipers.
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Hmm...great ideas ! Is it hard to change brake pads ?Ditto this...I made the choice to upgrade brake pads before my first track day on my starter Yamaha R3 from stock to EBC HH+ sintered brake pads for front and rear. In my judgement, the braking bite and feel went from a 4/10 stock to a 7/10 post install + track day to test. Yes, I also flushed the front and rear systems with high temp resistant brake fluid. In my experience, brake pads and steel braided lines are what improve braking feel as basic upgrades.
I firmly believe sintered brake pads are the most cost effective performance mod you can install on just about any motorcycle (yes, there always exceptions). Now although I am not any kind of racer nor have any greater credibility, I felt more confident braking deeper into corners at the track. It is what the club coach was coaching me through anyways. After my epiphany I immediately installed EBC HH+ on my GSX-R 750, massive change. Plan to install them on the CB650R after the first thousand miles. Every rider can and should learn to judge and replace their brake pads
What changed?
When I take a look at the stock pads they appear to be a predominantly organic material delivering a softer feel through the braking stroke and overall smoother ride because softer breaking will not upset the chassis as dramatically as braking with a stronger bite. Sintered pads contain higher volume of metallic particles that create that stronger bite'y feel but they do also create more heat. This is why high temp brake fluid flush is recommended especially if you plan to do back to back track sessions.
It felt like a coming of [age] skill?
When I was more of a beginner it was nice to have softer brakes, now I am comfortable, responsible, and reliable with the brake levers & full suspension stroke I feel as though I have grown out of stock organic pads and will never go back
How does one "seat" the pads to the calipers? You wear them in! I am out here in San Francisco, so I just roll down some hills stop sign to stop sign to heat them up and wear them in. Yes, I also use engine braking here I am not just jamming on the brakes and calipers.
/update:
After riding my wife's Z650, I decided to try different rear brake pads.
Ordered a set of Brembo 07HO53SP.
Swapped them today, the stock ones appear to be Nissin NKX20FF (so I was wrong stating they were Brembo Blue Ceramics).
Test rode the bike with the Red Brembo's and after a minute or so they already performed admirably.
Another minute later, my right foot was already rattled by the ABS.
So yes, upgrading the pads was al that needed to be done
After riding my wife's Z650, I decided to try different rear brake pads.
Ordered a set of Brembo 07HO53SP.
Swapped them today, the stock ones appear to be Nissin NKX20FF (so I was wrong stating they were Brembo Blue Ceramics).
Test rode the bike with the Red Brembo's and after a minute or so they already performed admirably.
Another minute later, my right foot was already rattled by the ABS.
So yes, upgrading the pads was al that needed to be done
- Mar 8, 2020
- Riding Since
- 2017
My stock rear brake locks up pretty easily. I can get the abs to kick in with a fairly light amount of force. Might just be what you're used to from other bikes.
Naah... Maybe Honda (or Nissin) used a different oem brake pad production method or facility since 2020?
Difference between the stock pads and the Brembo's is just too big to be justified by what I'm used to.
btw, I took a picture of my stock pads. Does the wear on the left pad seem normal??? (never saw that uneven wear on pads before)
- May 30, 2014
Looks like they aren't fully bedded in yet IMHO.
I went to EBC HH pads on the rear years ago, never looked back - so you've done the right thing.
J
I went to EBC HH pads on the rear years ago, never looked back - so you've done the right thing.
J