Are you tempted by the Hornet 1000 SP?
- Thread starter John Jive
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- Dec 13, 2018
I will not by another bike that doesn't have fine instrumentation such as this:
If it were still the nineties I'd probably buy one, the SP version. It has to be bargain of the year for a super naked with 150bhp for £10k. That said, it is nowhere near the quality of the superseded CB1000R and has clearly been built down to a price not up to a quality like that bike. On today's pot-holed, speed camera infested, traffic-logged roads I'd be paying the hefty additional insurance (if I could get any in my seventies) for power I'd seldom use. Locally I know of a couple of (private) roads where, given the right conditions, it's possible to exceed the ton on my CBR but TBH it's too risky to use its power in the higher gears without risk to life and licence. So no, in today's environment and at my age I win't be buying one because sooner or later I'd be tempted....Caught doing wheelies and it's a ban - no chance of getting insurance after that at my age...I guess as a track day tool it would be handy though.
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skeletor, I miss proper clocks. My Gixer had a combination of analogue and digital. I don't like the modern display, which looks like a mobile phone attached in landscape mode
Redrocket, I concur totally with your thoughts.
Thank you both for your comments.
Redrocket, I concur totally with your thoughts.
Thank you both for your comments.
- Feb 13, 2022
- Riding Since
- 3000
It’s a bargain for what you get. In 1990 a VFR750F was $6998 new; it’s 35 years later, and this bike is $10,000. You get everything you could ever need in a bike with no added fluff, it’s a solid performer and has a motor in it that’s tried and true so it will last basically forever.
I find it interesting all the bagging on the fit and finish of a bike they’ve yet to see in person, and comparing it to a bike that costs 30% more, the outgoing CB1000R with a $12999 MSRP. Why do you think it costs more? And this while riding a bike that was built in the same factories, using the same fit and finish, that the Hornet will have for a price about the same as they paid for their 650.
If a large cc naked bike was on my radar I’d have a hard time not looking at it.
I find it interesting all the bagging on the fit and finish of a bike they’ve yet to see in person, and comparing it to a bike that costs 30% more, the outgoing CB1000R with a $12999 MSRP. Why do you think it costs more? And this while riding a bike that was built in the same factories, using the same fit and finish, that the Hornet will have for a price about the same as they paid for their 650.
If a large cc naked bike was on my radar I’d have a hard time not looking at it.
But the 1990s VFR is legendary for longevity and build quality. I imagine the exhaust on the new Hornet will rust in no time if used all the time as many VFRs still are. Why else is it so cheap? VFRs probably cost more to make than they sold for to recover Honda's reputation after the cam troubles of the earlier V4s. The CB100R had a single sided swing arm and an alloy frame too.
The early V4 thing hardly hurt Hondas reputation, those very early issues were quickly realized, fixed and moved on; they were solved by the time the ‘86 models were out. Pick any large cc bike from that timeframe, they all were in that $7000-$8000 range from Honda, Yamaha, etc.
I’ll say it again: you’re tearing apart a bike that isn’t even for sale yet, nor is it made and priced to be a long term investment. It’s not priced to be ”built like they used to be”, no motorcycles are except the boutiques.
MacRoadster
CB650R ABS
- Sep 5, 2024
- Riding Since
- 1993
No. Because my 650 already has too much power for me. I never wanted a large cc bike and never will.
However... i find it better looking than it's rivals (MT-09, Z900, GSX-S1000) and would probably be my choice if I wanted a large cc streetfighter. 🙄
However... i find it better looking than it's rivals (MT-09, Z900, GSX-S1000) and would probably be my choice if I wanted a large cc streetfighter. 🙄
People might mistake it with the Kawasaki Z900, for me they look too similar in styling.
And for the reviews what you would expect when Honda fly over all the journalists to warm Spain to ride bikes and spend a nice weekend in that environment in the middle of the winter. We need to take all that reviews with a grain of salt and wait until real people not influencers start riding them and talk about it, before that its all marketing.
And for the reviews what you would expect when Honda fly over all the journalists to warm Spain to ride bikes and spend a nice weekend in that environment in the middle of the winter. We need to take all that reviews with a grain of salt and wait until real people not influencers start riding them and talk about it, before that its all marketing.
Normally I’d agree with being skeptical but universally this bike has been touted as a steal for what you get, not to mention finally a Honda with a bit of edge/attitude after years of boring, ho-hum and safe bikes. Also the journalists that are normally very honest and picky are really liking it.
Time will tell how well it sells and how long it holds up but in my opinion they have a hit on their hands.
From what I've read Honda are bringng a lot more SP models than standard ones to the UK. This does not surprise me as you get a lot for the extra £1000, all quality stuff. My local Honda dealer has had an SP version in stock for a few weeks - those with long memories will remember that the Hornet 1000 was supposed to be launched in the autumn as a 2024 model; I suppose it will now be Euro V+ compliant, a negative as far as I am concerned. The SP is likely to be a big sales hit here, not least because many (most?) are acquired on PCP deals, so the monthly payments are likely to be only marginally more than the standard version. For me an SP version of the CB650R (ie with good, adjustable suspension and the other kit as on the Hornet 1000) would suit me much better and might persuade me to change, something that E-clutch won't. I'm too long in the tooth to use 155bhp, so a one litre naked sports bike would be wasted on me.
Don’t know why Honda doesn’t do an SP either. I’d love a CBR650R with no e-clutch and great suspension as well!!!
- Feb 13, 2022
- Riding Since
- 3000
Hi will probably end up replacing cb1000r everywhere!
Me personally I've got a 2019 cbr650r and a 2021 cb1000r and love both bikes but I wouldn't change either for the new hornet !
I may consider adding to my garage but don't think a bike that's £4000 less to buy than the cb1000r will be as good quality or reliable as my cb1000r,
Now not saying it won't be a hoot to ride every review says it's good but in hot sunshine ride reviews it should be ,
Personally I'd like to look at one in a year's time that's Been riden in british weather all year round
- Mar 30, 2023
- Riding Since
- 2021
I would get a MT10(SP). Hard to convince me buying a Honda then if I see the pricing and options.
Cruise control for that price must be standard and all the rest of the gagdets.
What was Honda Thinking?
In Germany MT-10 costs 12000 euros and CB1000R 13200euros .
I would only buy Honda because other brands dont make it.
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Cruise control for that price must be standard and all the rest of the gagdets.
What was Honda Thinking?
In Germany MT-10 costs 12000 euros and CB1000R 13200euros .
I would only buy Honda because other brands dont make it.
Yamaha MT-10 2024 vs Honda CB 1000 R 2023
Compare prices, reviews, technical data and availabilty of Yamaha MT-10 2024 and Honda CB 1000 R 2023.
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You’re comparing the CB1000R, not the CB1000F.I would get a MT10(SP). Hard to convince me buying a Honda then if I see the pricing and options.
Cruise control for that price must be standard and all the rest of the gagdets.
What was Honda Thinking?
In Germany MT-10 costs 12000 euros and CB1000R 13200euros .
I would only buy Honda because other brands dont make it.
Yamaha MT-10 2024 vs Honda CB 1000 R 2023
Compare prices, reviews, technical data and availabilty of Yamaha MT-10 2024 and Honda CB 1000 R 2023.
- Mar 30, 2023
- Riding Since
- 2021
Still pricing, weight etc...... naked bike shouldnt be boring.......
It’s not, read (or watch) some of the reviews. The MT-10SP is heavy, expensive, gets awful fuel mileage and is not a great “deal” in the grand scheme of things. Not a bad bike but you see a lot bought and sold with low mileage, only a year or two old. That’s always a telltale sign there’s something with the bike that’s not adding up. The GSX-S1000GT and Ninja 1000 are another couple bikes I see sold after a year or so, or the owners show up on forums I frequent looking to move on.
The ‘25 CB1000F is significantly cheaper, surprisingly quite a hooligan bike and while not top spec features wise, is an incredible deal for what you get. Which is kind of the point of this whole discussion; for a few hundred dollars more than the CB650R you can get a CB1000F with similar features, similar build quality, liter power and with an Ohlins TTX shock. Two places I trust for honest reviews, MCN and 44Teeth, both love it.
MacRoadster
CB650R ABS
- Sep 5, 2024
- Riding Since
- 1993
I think the CB1000 Hornet compares better with the MT-09 than the MT-10.
They have about the same price and while the Honda has more power, the Yamaha has more gadgets, lower weight and lower fuel consumption.
In the end is just a matter of what's important for you and which one you like.
They have about the same price and while the Honda has more power, the Yamaha has more gadgets, lower weight and lower fuel consumption.
In the end is just a matter of what's important for you and which one you like.